In this exclusive talk at MIF23, art and football fans can dive into artist Tino Sehgal and footballer Juan Mata’s different worlds. Steered by renowned curator Hans Ulrich Obrist – who is co-curating The Trequartista project with Juan Mata which culminates at MIF25 – they chat about how the beautiful game and contemporary art can riff off each other. We hope you enjoy watching – you're welcome to pay what you feel through the donation button below.

Filmed at the National Football Museum.

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